From: owner-the-edge-digest@ (The Edge Digested) To: the-edge-digest@robin-nvh.bvsd.k12.co.us Subject: The Edge Digested V1 #90 Reply-To: the-edge@robin-nvh.bvsd.k12.co.us Sender: owner-the-edge-digest@ Errors-To: owner-the-edge-digest@ Precedence: bulk The Edge Digested Saturday, August 1 1998 Volume 01 : Number 090 Today's subjects from The Edge: [The Edge] Blacksburg, Virginia Re: [The Edge] Okay, a CCG question... Re: [The Edge] Class, Superclass, and the Individual Re: [The Edge] New Cards Re: [The Edge] New Cards Re: [The Edge] New Cards [The Edge] Los Angeles Edge players? [The Edge] Wheel of Fortune and Kunigunde Himmelsbach Re: [The Edge] New Cards Re: [The Edge] New Cards Re: [The Edge] Wheel of Fortune and Kunigunde Himmelsbach [The Edge] Re Criminal New Yorkers [The Edge] Atlas/SJG joint press release ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:59:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Yanni Cooper Subject: [The Edge] Blacksburg, Virginia Ok, since everyone seems to be getting back into OnTE I might as well see if there's still any VTechies or others semi-local to Blacksburg VA who play OnTE or might be interested in playing some OTE on Monday Evenings... (I'm working on a playerbase but it's hard as most of my friends are in radford, have graduated or both. ===============Yanni Cooper=\ Chaos reigns within. | Reflect, repent, and reboot. The code was willing, | Order shall return. It considered your request, | But the chips were weak. \=aslum@rocketmail.com======== _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:06:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Yanni Cooper Subject: Re: [The Edge] Okay, a CCG question... I've always liked using New York (INWO) as it's a 1cost 7/8 and (at least in my play group) considered Criminal. May have had another "trait" that carried over, but I can't remember what it was. === ============Yanni Cooper=\ Chaos reigns within. | Reflect, repent, and reboot. The code was willing, | Order shall return. It considered your request, | But the chips were weak. \=aslum@rocketmail.com======== - ---robin wrote: > > >> well, an unfortunate ruling on Copyright Violation states that you must > >> shuffle the card from the other game into the deck of On The Edge cards > >> and it must be drawn on its own. personally, i do not care for this > >> ruling at all and would never enforce it myself. > >> > >Well, that sucks. > > Copyright Violation allows you to bring a character into play that is > orders of magnitude stronger than any other. It's only fair that there > has to be some restriction on this, the restriction being that you > have to draw both CV and the foreign card in question in order to play > them. > > Using black-backed sleeves at least hides the fact that you are > planning a Copyright Violation. > > By the way, there was a bit of a thread a year or two back about cool > cards to use. I remember that On the Edge (Mythos) and Al Amarja > (Illuminati) were mentioned. These are thematically appropriate if not > the most deadly ways of using CV. > > +--------------------------+--------------------------------------+ > | robin, co-ordinator | | Grey Room cell | Time falling -- Break through in | > | robin@execulink.com | Grey Room> : W.S. Burroughs | > +--------------------------+--------------------------------------+ > | www.execulink.com/~robin/ | > +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ > > [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge > [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of > [O] (un)subscribe the-edge > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:18:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Yanni Cooper Subject: Re: [The Edge] Class, Superclass, and the Individual Ok, so there are multiple instances of me?! Then it's just a matter of moving the 'Present' pointer to the next 'Future' instance. With me so far? This assumes I don't entertain non-linear or sub-random time sequancing. Could mutliple instances be called simultaneously? Would this get you nowhere or just to the stairway there? Or is this what happend to C. A. Radford(s)? This thought you where a day has been stolen from you by the sublimated lemur of outdated blue. ===============Yanni Cooper==\ Chaos reigns within. This part of the .sig is a | Reflect, repent, and reboot. lie. None of the other parts | Order shall return. are true either. Don't | believe anything written here\=aslum@rocketmail.com======== - ---Scott and Michelle McDaniel wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:09:48 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Yanni Cooper > > Subject: Re: [The Edge]Applicable targets > > > > Been out of the loop for a while... expect lots late > > replies to stuff. > > > > - ---Ivan Tuckwell wrote: > > > Re: Death Dance - > > > Well, other than the fact that Atavism: Ninja in > > > combination with Kamikaze doesn't work ... > > > > > > To wit: Atavism: Ninja specifies "Target Human" and > > > Kamikaze specifies that "Character's first trait is > > > replaced with 'Nekros.' ... " > > > > > > Thus, when under the effect of Kamikaze, the character > > > is Nekros, not Human, and therefore not Ninja. > > Hmmm... but aren't there a couple of cards where Human > > isn't the first trait? Seems to me you'd be able to do it > > if you could find those cards. > > From out of nowhere... > > If I remember correctly, the "Target Human" only applies when calling the > condition. The fact that the Human trait later changes does not affect the > condition once it is on the character. > > Next concept. For the OTE/Compu-geek (like me). Consider an object > oriented universe. Each person, each object that we see and interact with > is an instance of the object. There can be other instances. When you > listen to a song twice on a CD, does the band actually play it again each > time? No. You have initiated a separate instance of the song. The > attributes of that instance are modified by the background noise, the > emotional state in which you listen, and all that has happened to you since > the last time you heard the song. So have you heard the same song? > > But if you, reading this, are an instance of a fundamental object (or > person), then what is that fundamental object? More importantly, how can > you get control of it? And finally, it is probably worth hoping that > another instance of you does not get control of it first. > > Or can an instance obtain control over the class? > > > Scott McD. > > [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge > [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of > [O] (un)subscribe the-edge > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 16:02:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Yanni Cooper Subject: Re: [The Edge] New Cards [snip] this discusion has given me some INSIPIRATION! WSOGMM [Environmental] Sub-Random, Chaos, Control, Throckmorton Uniqueness is attributed to the discriptor instead of name of a character. "The Whole Sort of General Mish-Mash depends enterily on how it's percieved." So you could have both versions of Akio Morimoto in play at the same time. But not 2 copies of the same version. (3-4 Moniques? Ouch.) ===============Yanni Cooper=\ Chaos reigns within. | Reflect, repent, and reboot. The code was willing, | Order shall return. It considered your request, | But the chips were weak. \=aslum@rocketmail.com======== - ---Eric Jome wrote: > > On Mon, 27 Jul 1998, Alex Rodriguez wrote: > > > how about making this an Environmental? That would make it more fun > > since then everyone could participate and add to the "chaos" + it would > > add strategy in keeping a duplicate card in hand for "disipline" > > purposes. > > hmmm. this might work. it should not be bulleted if it is an > environmental, but it should cost at least 3, probably 4 (or > have all traits removed). everyone could participate as it > was written, but it was a one shot deal, either you have it > or you dont. you proposal might work better... this way > prevents a person from hiding it in hand until necessary. > > either way, the difficulty lies in uniqueness... this seems to > subvert uniqueness by allowing you to "call" a person easily. > so its important that they come over cranked and that you lose > your copy in hand. including a counter card (ie Identity Revealed) > which hoses Double Agent is protection against over abuse. > > > Now, did you intend to have this effect only last untill the end of > > turn? > > no way! you get him and you keep him. > > > eric > > > > [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge > [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of > [O] (un)subscribe the-edge > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:37:06 -0600 From: Trevor Stone Subject: Re: [The Edge] New Cards Long, long ago, in a galaxy far, far away, Yanni Cooper said: >[snip] >this discusion has given me some INSIPIRATION! > >WSOGMM [Environmental] >Sub-Random, Chaos, Control, Throckmorton > >Uniqueness is attributed to the discriptor instead of name >of a character. > Mmmmm. CA Radford deck... =-=-=-= Trevor Stone =-=-= aka Flwyd =-=-= tstone @ robin . ml . org =-=-=-= Eclectic philosopher, New Vista computer admin, gamer, witster, esotericist http://robin.ml.org/~tstone/ Thou whoreson crook-pated whey-face! People will accept your ideas much more readily if you tell them that Benjamin Franklin said it first. [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:21:10 -0500 From: "Paul J. Lareau" Subject: Re: [The Edge] New Cards Actually, when I first read about the idea of a Schizophrenia and Hammer Blow to Head cards, what came to mind was a variant thought, a bit simpler to implement. The card enables the player to put any character card in his/her hand on top of the target character, the player's own or opponent's character. The original owner of the target character keeps control, but the character now takes on the characteristics and powers of the top card. Envison Karla Sommers suddenly thinking she's Reek Rend, or Doc Cross believing himself to be a Betelguesan (You aren't, are you, Doc??). And whatever actions or fate befall the top card also happen to the schizophrenic covered card. Whatta way to take out Rumple ... by convincing him he's Slystick! - -- Paul J. Lareau - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - [POST] 135 E. Viking Dr. #301, Little Canada MN 55117 USA [HOME PAGE] http://www.wavefront.com/~pjlareau/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Adam T. Ness" Subject: [The Edge] Los Angeles Edge players? Is there anyone in the Los Angeles area who plays Over the Edge or On the Edge? Also, on an unrelated topic, how do I subscribe to the Alarums and Excursions list? "So I say, 'Let me really play the buffon. I am not afraid of your opinion.'" - Fyodor Pavlovich Karamazov Adam "Dostoyevski Kicks Ass." Ness ICQ #3665941 | Cam #9701-061 [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 21:47:33 -0600 From: Trevor Stone Subject: [The Edge] Wheel of Fortune and Kunigunde Himmelsbach I actually had the opportunity to use Wheel of Fortune on Kunigudne (All Fortune Whammies have double the normal effect on Himmelsbach). Is the correct action to: discard WoF and KH and draw 4 cards (doubling the "draw two" part), discard WoF, KH, and one other card to draw 2 cards (doubling the "discard this card and one other" part), or do you discard WoF, KH, and another card to draw 4. Or does nothing special happen (something ought to...). Any thoughts? Trevor Stone; Builder of CCG Tarot Decks; Human, Trident, Academic =-=-=-= Trevor Stone =-=-= aka Flwyd =-=-= tstone @ robin . ml . org =-=-=-= Eclectic philosopher, New Vista computer admin, gamer, witster, esotericist http://robin.ml.org/~tstone/ Thou impertinent ill-breeding clotpole! Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup. [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:47:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Jome Subject: Re: [The Edge] New Cards On Tue, 28 Jul 1998, Yanni Cooper wrote: > WSOGMM [Environmental] > Sub-Random, Chaos, Control, Throckmorton > > Uniqueness is attributed to the discriptor instead of name > of a character. > > "The Whole Sort of General Mish-Mash depends enterily on > how it's percieved." hmmm... this is the sort of thing i have never thought about. going to have to do some digging to see if this would work... there might be a whole host of things that could key off the descriptive tag for characters... hmmm. eric [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:58:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Jome Subject: Re: [The Edge] New Cards On Tue, 28 Jul 1998, Paul J. Lareau wrote: > Actually, when I first read about the idea of a Schizophrenia and Hammer > Blow to Head cards, what came to mind was a variant thought, a bit > simpler to implement. hmmm. i understand this a bit better now. very cool idea. :) i think it would work best something like this; Double Identity, Whammy, - Play a character from your hand onto any character without positive pull in play. All costs must be paid as normal though you may call the character into an enemy conspiracy. The covered character remains in play only in terms of Uniqueness. Identity Revealed, Whammy, - Remove the top character from a stack of character created by Double Identity. Play any time. eric [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:12:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Jome Subject: Re: [The Edge] Wheel of Fortune and Kunigunde Himmelsbach On Tue, 28 Jul 1998, Trevor Stone wrote: > I actually had the opportunity to use Wheel of Fortune on Kunigudne > (All Fortune Whammies have double the normal effect on Himmelsbach). > Is the correct action to: discard WoF and KH and draw 4 cards (doubling the > "draw two" part), discard WoF, KH, and one other card to draw 2 cards > (doubling the "discard this card and one other" part), or do you discard > WoF, KH, and another card to draw 4. Or does nothing special happen > (something ought to...). its the last one... Kunigunde's ability only matters if she is in play. you arent playing the Wheel on her... so, you discard the Wheel and her and draw 2 cards. eric [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:24:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Spike Y Jones Subject: [The Edge] Re Criminal New Yorkers On Tue, 28 Jul 1998, Yanni Cooper wrote: > I've always liked using New York (INWO) as it's a 1cost > 7/8 and (at least in my play group) considered Criminal. This must be a pre-Giuliani New York :-) [O] [O] [O] Spike Y Jones [O]Spike[O] Freelance writer, editor, proofreader, and ex-bingo-caller [O] [O] [O] spikeyj@access.digex.net http://www.io.com/~spikeyj/ [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 15:05:22 EDT From: AtlasGames@AOL.COM Subject: [The Edge] Atlas/SJG joint press release FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE July 30, 1998 Atlas Games Steve Jackson Games P.O. Box 131233 P.O. Box 18957 Roseville, MN 55113 Austin, TX 78760 Tel (651) 638-0077 Tel (512) 447-7866 Fax (651) 638-0084 Fax (512) 447-1144 AUSTIN, TX and ROSEVILLE, MN =97 Steve Jackson Games and Atlas Games are = pleased to announce an arrangement whereby each will represent the other at the = major conventions, WorldCon and Gen Con, the weekend of August 6-9, 1998. John Nephew, president of Atlas Games, stated, "This is a small but impor= tant cooperative effort. Our products will be made available exclusively at = the SJG booth at WorldCon, exposing such broadly appealing games as Once Upo= n A Time=99 and Cults Across America=99 to a new audience of science fiction= fans. Likewise, we will be proud to be the sole vendor of Steve Jackson Games = at=0AGen Con, offering such perennial favorites as GURPS=AE and In Nomine=99 as w= ell as exclusive new releases. "This sort of cooperation serves both of our companies and the attendees = of each convention. Granting exclusivity makes the deal feasible by assuri= ng that other vendors will not undercut sales of the most popular items, ma= king it possible for us to devote space to more of each others' products. Th= e result is a wider range of products at both cons than would otherwise be= =0Afound at either." Steve Jackson commented, "What he said." Both companies have exciting new releases that will debut simultaneously = at the two shows. Steve Jackson Games will release GURPS Discworld, based on the best-selli= ng fantasy series by Terry Pratchett, and Darwinopoly, by Steve Jackson and award-winning SF author David Brin, a combination roleplaying/boardgame = in which the players take on the roles of primitive tribesmen, re-inventing society and protecting their children. Atlas Games will premiere Cults Across America, the Call of Cthulhu=AE bo= ardgame of Mythos cultists attempting to rule the USA, and The Wizard's Grimoire= =99 Revised Edition, a long-awaited core sourcebook for the Ars Magica=99 ga= me. GURPS and Darwinopoly are trademarks of SJ Games. Discworld is a trademar= k of Terry Pratchett, used under license. Ars Magica and The Wizard's Grimoi= re=0Aare a trademark of Trident, Inc. Atlas Games and Once Upon A Time are trade= marks of John Nephew. Call of Cthulhu is a registered trademark of Chaosium, = Inc., used under license. # # #=0A [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ End of The Edge Digested V1 #90 ******************************* [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge-digest [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge-digest To get off digest, subscribe the-edge [O] To post a message, send it to the-edge@robin.ml.org