From: owner-the-edge-digest@ (The Edge Digested) To: the-edge-digest@robin-nvh.bvsd.k12.co.us Subject: The Edge Digested V1 #63 Reply-To: the-edge@robin-nvh.bvsd.k12.co.us Sender: owner-the-edge-digest@ Errors-To: owner-the-edge-digest@ Precedence: bulk The Edge Digested Thursday, June 18 1998 Volume 01 : Number 063 Today's subjects from The Edge: [The Edge] Gencon Tournament Re: [The Edge] Gencon Tournament [The Edge] More on Net/criminal deck... Re: [The Edge] a test of the list Re: [The Edge] Gencon Tournament Re: [The Edge] Gencon Tournament Re: [The Edge] More on Net/criminal deck... Re: [The Edge] a test of the list Re: [The Edge] a test of the list Re: [The Edge] Gencon Tournament Re: [The Edge] a test of the list Re: [The Edge] a test of the list Re: [The Edge] a test of the list Re: [The Edge] a test of the list Re: [The Edge] Bypass Re: [The Edge] Bypass Re: [The Edge] Bypass Re: [The Edge] a test of the list Re: [The Edge] a test of the list [The Edge] a portrait of crime Re: [The Edge] a portrait of crime ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:33:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Jome Subject: [The Edge] Gencon Tournament well, i dont know if this will make it or if anyone else is listening, but i'll ask anyway. :) so, who is planning on going to Gencon and participating in the OnTE tournament this year? last year, by dint of good luck and unscrupulous manipulation of broken cards and tricks, i managed to pull out top honors. so, to give all those fellow consiprators a fair shot at the title (heh), i will be returning. and this year, i have made a pledge to myself; i will not use any of the traditional tricks or traits. so, i am not going to employ any of the following (although this is not an exhaustive list); Fringe, Astral, Pharaoh, Terminal, Glug, and Kergillian. Also, i will not flip my own pullers, which is an unsporting, if highly effective thing to do. my fair play streak runs deeper and wider, but i will not rant on about it. so, this has left me with some interesting options; what to do for a deck theme? so far, i am trying out 3. first, Criminal. with Hostage, The Squeeze, Kidnap and Crime & Punishment to power it, this is fast ... but light on pull. so, who will work with the Criminals? second, Sub-Random. this is the best i have so far, but it nearly violates my sense of fair play; CA Radford, Panic Button, and Charm Bracelet is risk free and well known... so it makes me feel icky. :) and third, Throckmorton/Control. not the fastest, and certainly not free of villiany, but effective and easy... of course, there is Psychic. and Neutralizers. and Sommerites. but that would be telling. :) eric [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:38:07 -0700 From: "Jay J. Allen" Subject: Re: [The Edge] Gencon Tournament Aha, I noticed here you mentioned a criminal deck. I made a deck sometime ago that worked very well. I paired up cards with the trait 'Net' to go with my criminal elements. This gets you a little more pull (especially in the case of a Net-monique...) and it makes sense. I tend to think of the Net as being similar in vision to the Mafia, or other organized crime groups (this probably comes from my experience with the Net in the role playing game). So, a Criminal/Net deck works well theme wise. When I made my deck, I threw in a couple of entrepeneurs (after all, the Net needs to have business folks to corrupt, right?). This then gives you a good pool of small pullers to round out the deck. And yes, my Criminal/Net deck was fast, fairly straight forward (though you can have a lot of fun with kidnap/blackmail/hostages), and did pretty well in games. And it was a lot of fun to play...can you say 'I's a gunna teach yu da true meanin o' aldente, p0nk!!' =) At 02:33 PM 6/17/98 -0500, you wrote: > >well, i dont know if this will make it or if anyone else is listening, >but i'll ask anyway. :) > >so, who is planning on going to Gencon and participating in the OnTE >tournament this year? last year, by dint of good luck and unscrupulous >manipulation of broken cards and tricks, i managed to pull out top >honors. so, to give all those fellow consiprators a fair shot at >the title (heh), i will be returning. > >and this year, i have made a pledge to myself; i will not use any of >the traditional tricks or traits. so, i am not going to employ any >of the following (although this is not an exhaustive list); Fringe, >Astral, Pharaoh, Terminal, Glug, and Kergillian. Also, i will not >flip my own pullers, which is an unsporting, if highly effective >thing to do. my fair play streak runs deeper and wider, but i will >not rant on about it. > >so, this has left me with some interesting options; what to do for >a deck theme? so far, i am trying out 3. first, Criminal. with >Hostage, The Squeeze, Kidnap and Crime & Punishment to power it, >this is fast ... but light on pull. so, who will work with the >Criminals? second, Sub-Random. this is the best i have so far, >but it nearly violates my sense of fair play; CA Radford, Panic >Button, and Charm Bracelet is risk free and well known... so it >makes me feel icky. :) and third, Throckmorton/Control. not >the fastest, and certainly not free of villiany, but effective and >easy... > >of course, there is Psychic. and Neutralizers. and Sommerites. > >but that would be telling. :) > > >eric > > > >[O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge >[0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of >[O] (un)subscribe the-edge > > // Jay J. Allen WVU AIS - ASAP [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:44:24 -0700 From: "Jay J. Allen" Subject: [The Edge] More on Net/criminal deck... hey, I just remembered the other neat thing I did with my Criminal/Net deck. I threw in 2 Giovanni Mancinni's, one regular, one the 'criminal mastermind' version or somesuch. I included some of the cabbies for flavor, and used the 'rasputin of cabbies' trick early in the game, provided I got the right cards out. This trick helped against those fast deploying decks, to make sure I could get a handle on em early. Also, it enhanced the criminal theme of the deck, when I would get the first Govanni popped, and then would bring the criminal version into play...great, now I'm starting to get the ONTE itch again. Haven't played for a while now. When did you say that gencon tournament was? // Jay J. Allen WVU AIS - ASAP [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:58:28 -0700 From: Alex Rodriguez Subject: Re: [The Edge] a test of the list Eric Jome wrote: > > well, i have been off the list for a while and i wanted to see > if it is still functioning... so, no need to reply if you feel > inconvenienced. :) > > eric how about this? does bypass apply to multiple defenders unless stated otherwise or is it always meant to be a single character? Also, could a character with the ability to bypass one character have his ability agmented to bypass two?- - -Alex ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:58:33 -0400 From: "John M. Baker" Subject: Re: [The Edge] Gencon Tournament At 03:38 PM 6/17/98 -0700, you wrote: >Aha, > >I noticed here you mentioned a criminal deck. I made a deck sometime ago >that worked very well. I paired up cards with the trait 'Net' to go with >my criminal elements. This gets you a little more pull (especially in the >case of a Net-monique...) and it makes sense. I tend to think of the Net >as being similar in vision to the Mafia, or other organized crime groups >(this probably comes from my experience with the Net in the role playing >game). So, a Criminal/Net deck works well theme wise. When I made my >deck, I threw in a couple of entrepeneurs (after all, the Net needs to have >business folks to corrupt, right?). This then gives you a good pool of >small pullers to round out the deck. And yes, my Criminal/Net deck was >fast, fairly straight forward (though you can have a lot of fun with >kidnap/blackmail/hostages), and did pretty well in games. And it was a lot >of fun to play...can you say 'I's a gunna teach yu da true meanin o' >aldente, p0nk!!' =) > Okay, I've got a deck along similar lines to Criminality... It's Criminal, Law, (Crime and Punishment is one of the best secrets out there!), Terminal, and those Justice Barrio guys (You know, Otto's Boys). With tons of Gang Up and Multidimension, I just plain don't care how well you protect yourself! You're getting Kidnapped/Hostage/whatever... John Baker [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:11:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Jome Subject: Re: [The Edge] Gencon Tournament On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, Jay J. Allen wrote: > I noticed here you mentioned a criminal deck. I made a deck sometime ago > that worked very well. I paired up cards with the trait 'Net' to go with > my criminal elements. This gets you a little more pull (especially in the > case of a Net-monique...) and it makes sense. quite! the Net is a varitable match-made-in-Shadows (heh) for Criminal. but, we run into some difficulties when we begin to look at the Net for a tournament level deck... first, if you go Criminal, there is one card you cant live without; Crime & Punishment. that 4 pull only counts on Criminals... and most of the Net is not Criminal (sadly). the forgotten half of Crime & Punishment is that the 4 pull can also go toward a Law. and Melinda Amduat (sp?) and Exel Quitlong are pullers with Law. add Ajay Obalago and Simon Wallop and the ranks thicken. another interesting element of note with Criminal - no dedicated resource. so, picking a resource which provides bonus pull for a pull heavy group could compliment them nicely... hmmm, crimes of the _art_? :) > I tend to think of the Net > as being similar in vision to the Mafia, or other organized crime groups > (this probably comes from my experience with the Net in the role playing > game). i always felt the Net was more loosely tied, more a zaibatsu of crime. > So, a Criminal/Net deck works well theme wise. When I made my > deck, I threw in a couple of entrepeneurs (after all, the Net needs to have > business folks to corrupt, right?). Friends in Golden Barrio as the resource. cost 1, dp 2 or less, pullers like Giovanni Mancini, Bitter&Herb, Athena Iakothos (sp?), Eugene Krebs, or Claude-Lucien Rouvier. Underworld Contacts and Shake-Em Out. and Money Talks. and Pocket Panic Button. :) > This then gives you a good pool of > small pullers to round out the deck. And yes, my Criminal/Net deck was > fast, fairly straight forward (though you can have a lot of fun with > kidnap/blackmail/hostages), and did pretty well in games. And it was a lot > of fun to play...can you say 'I's a gunna teach yu da true meanin o' > aldente, p0nk!!' =) previous incarnations of my Criminal deck included Net, but i have been debating cutting them from the roster. i shall post the deck for opinions... tomorrow. eric [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:16:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Jome Subject: Re: [The Edge] More on Net/criminal deck... On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, Jay J. Allen wrote: > I just remembered the other neat thing I did with my Criminal/Net deck. I > threw in 2 Giovanni Mancinni's, one regular, one the 'criminal mastermind' > version or somesuch. a classic grift, Mr. Allen. :) maybe Giovanni's offers a fair ride for a fair price because they dont need the small change? :) > great, now I'm starting to get the ONTE itch again. now if only we can come up with a plan to get a new expansion. :) > When did you say that gencon tournament was? the convention book says Friday, August 7, 8 am. barring a major Sub-Random event of course. :) eric [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:21:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Jome Subject: Re: [The Edge] a test of the list On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, Alex Rodriguez wrote: > does bypass apply to multiple defenders unless stated otherwise or is it > always meant to be a single character? Also, could a character with the > ability to bypass one character have his ability agmented to bypass > two?- well, i am caught without rules in hand, but Bypass allows you to circumvent only 1 active character normally, if memory serves. Kunigunde could make excellent use of Dumb Luck in this fashion, no? eric [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:28:14 -0700 (PDT) From: David Thomas Fisher Subject: Re: [The Edge] a test of the list Kunigunde could make excellent use of Dumb Luck in this fashion, no? I have not done OnTE in quite a while. What is this Kunigunde? I ask because it sounds like a reference to the Firesign Theatre's "le Trente-Huit Kunigunde" (Kunegonde?) Can someone comment on this? - -- David Fisher (davefish@cory.eecs.berkeley.edu) "Seduced, shaggy Samson snored./ She scissored short. Sorely shorn,/ Soon shackled slave, Samson sighed,/ Silently scheming/ Sightlessly seeking/ Some savage, spectacular suicide." - Stanislaw Lem, "The Cyberiad" [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:32:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Jome Subject: Re: [The Edge] Gencon Tournament On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, John M. Baker wrote: > It's Criminal, Law, (Crime and Punishment is one of the best secrets > out there!), Terminal, and those Justice Barrio guys (You know, Otto's > Boys). With tons of Gang Up and Multidimension, I just plain don't care > how well you protect yourself! You're getting Kidnapped/Hostage/whatever... ah... the Hangmen. a dedicated resource makes them cheap and everybody can gang up. but only 1 puller. and not fond of artists. so, who do you get to hang with the Hangmen? well, seems like you would want a group with some pull which could also upgrade the power of the Hangmen... "Justice Barrio Crustacean Appreciation" (Kergillian, Hangmen) ... human Hangmen are itching for some spinal replacements and the Kergillians have no dedicated resource of their own. Gang Up _and_ Kergillian Implant? :) eric [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:50:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Clay Colwell Subject: Re: [The Edge] a test of the list On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, Eric Jome wrote: > On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, Alex Rodriguez wrote: > > > does bypass apply to multiple defenders unless stated otherwise or is it > > always meant to be a single character? Also, could a character with the > > ability to bypass one character have his ability agmented to bypass > > two?- > > well, i am caught without rules in hand, but Bypass allows you to > circumvent only 1 active character normally, if memory serves. Yup. > Kunigunde could make excellent use of Dumb Luck in this fashion, no? Indeed she can, according to Surviving On The Edge. (Kunigunde Himmelsbach is a 0-Pull 1/1 Burger who derives double effect from any Fortune Whammy played on her. Dumb Luck thus allows her to Bypass 2 Characters instead of one.) ****** Clay Colwell (aka StealthSmurf) ********** eris@bga.com ****** * "In the future, we will recognize software crashes as technologically * * mandated ergonomic rest breaks - and we will pay extra for them." * * -- Crazy Uncle Joe Hannibal * [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:52:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Jome Subject: Re: [The Edge] a test of the list On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, David Thomas Fisher wrote: > I have not done OnTE in quite a while. What is this Kunigunde? I ask > because it sounds like a reference to the Firesign Theatre's "le > Trente-Huit Kunigunde" (Kunegonde?) Can someone comment on this? :) ... perhaps my spelling leaves something to be desired. if there is one thing in OnTE thats a trick, its getting the names right... Kunigunde Himmelsbach is a Human, Burger, Psychic, 1/1/-, cost 0 which doubles the effect of any Fortune whammy played on her. so, is it Dumb Luck that lets you bypass or am i thinking of something else? there is something that does... hmmm. this is what i get for coming to work today without my Dictionary. eric [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:36:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Kinney Subject: Re: [The Edge] a test of the list On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, David Thomas Fisher wrote: > I have not done OnTE in quite a while. What is this Kunigunde? I ask > because it sounds like a reference to the Firesign Theatre's "le > Trente-Huit Kunigunde" (Kunegonde?) Can someone comment on this? > You're groovy, then? :-) I have this bastard on *vinyl*. I rule. As someone else has noted, Kunigunde is a personality, from the main set, IIRC. I recently inherited a bunch of a friend's OnTE cards... I must get back into it. alberich@iglou.com | Mark Kinney | http://www.iglou.com/nations "You know what would be fun? Drop acid, smoke PCP, and then take the White House tour with Jim Carrey." -- George Carlin, _Brain Droppings_ [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:03:54 -0600 From: Trevor Stone Subject: Re: [The Edge] a test of the list Long, long ago, in a galaxy far, far away, Alex Rodriguez said: >does bypass apply to multiple defenders unless stated otherwise or is it >always meant to be a single character? Also, could a character with the >ability to bypass one character have his ability agmented to bypass >two?- > You can only bypass one character, and it can't be your own. (Before I realized this, I played a degenerate game with Starwalk.) I'm not aware of any way to augment the bypass ability, aside from the forementioned Burger Whammy trick. (Sounds like a bad McDonalds experience...) Trevor Stone; Philosophic Net Surfur; Human, Trident, Academic =-=-=-= Trevor Stone =-=-= aka Flwyd =-=-= tstone @ robin . ml . org =-=-=-= Eclectic philosopher, New Vista computer admin, gamer, witster, esotericist http://robin.ml.org/~tstone/ Thou spongy plume-plucked egg-shell! Campus sidewalks never exist as the straightest distance between two points. [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:24:59 -0400 From: "John M. Baker" Subject: Re: [The Edge] Bypass >>does bypass apply to multiple defenders unless stated otherwise or is it >>always meant to be a single character? Also, could a character with the >>ability to bypass one character have his ability agmented to bypass >>two?- >> >You can only bypass one character, and it can't be your own. (Before I >realized this, I played a degenerate game with Starwalk.) I'm not aware of >any way to augment the bypass ability, aside from the forementioned Burger >Whammy trick. (Sounds like a bad McDonalds experience...) > Other than Dumb Luck, the best way to perform a multiple bypass outside of heart surgery is via the Terminal Condition Multi-Dimension. That way, your attacker can be behind the defender in your conspiracies... (Heart Surgery or Terminal Condition? Sheesh...) John Baker [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:16:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Jome Subject: Re: [The Edge] Bypass On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, John M. Baker wrote: > (Heart Surgery or Terminal Condition? Sheesh...) very amusing. :) dont forget that bypass is one active character, so, you can employ any number of means to crank (or flip) one rank before bypassing a second. eric [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:25:51 -0400 From: "John M. Baker" Subject: Re: [The Edge] Bypass > >dont forget that bypass is one active character, so, you can employ >any number of means to crank (or flip) one rank before bypassing >a second. > Aww, heck. Be a real MAN and just BULLDOZE!!! (grunt, grunt, Bellow!) John Baker [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:17:57 -0700 From: Alex Rodriguez Subject: Re: [The Edge] a test of the list Trevor Stone wrote: > > Long, long ago, in a galaxy far, far away, > Alex Rodriguez said: > > >does bypass apply to multiple defenders unless stated otherwise or is it > >always meant to be a single character? Also, could a character with the > >ability to bypass one character have his ability agmented to bypass > >two?- > > > You can only bypass one character, and it can't be your own. (Before I > realized this, I played a degenerate game with Starwalk.) I'm not aware of > any way to augment the bypass ability, aside from the forementioned Burger > Whammy trick. (Sounds like a bad McDonalds experience...) what if you take a character that already has the bypass ability and you play something like Cloak Hit? - -- - -Alex ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:22:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Jome Subject: Re: [The Edge] a test of the list On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, Alex Rodriguez wrote: > what if you take a character that already has the bypass ability and you > play something like Cloak Hit? this will, of course, allow Guglielmo to bypass 2 active people. eric [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:12:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Jome Subject: [The Edge] a portrait of crime lets take a look at a simple criminal deck using a simple construction method. the following deck construction is a classic: 8 Resources, 8 Pullers, 4 Hitters, 4 Blockers, 4 Specials, 12 Other here we come out at exactly 40 cards, the target number for highly competitve decks. Other is all Gear, Whammies, Conditions. Often Secrets are counted among Resources, but it is better to number them in the Other Category. also, a variant on this can work quite well; 8 Resources, 6 Pullers, 5 Hitters, 5 Blockers, 4 Specials, 12 Other here we allow for keeping our pullers around longer despite drawing them less often. so, onto a sample deck; Resources (9) 2 Crime & Punishment 7 Military Contacts here we boost the number by 1 because the basic resource does not offer any bonus pull for our characters. we will take advantage of the bonus pull we do get, though. :) note that Crime & Punishment gives 4 pull to call Criminal or Law ... very solid, so 2 will really up the chances of getting at least 1. Pullers (8) 2 Simon Wallop 2 Melinda Amduat 2 Excel Quitlong 2 Ajay Obalago this is a classic tactic; by putting in 2 copies, we help to eliminate the random chance of what might come up and make it easier to count into our deck (ie. track all the cards we have drawn and played to guess what is left). Note that all of these can be called by the secret. on the down side, they only offer 1 pull each (bonus from Ajay though). that coupled with Simon only copying someone else (usually he goes under Specials, not Pullers), means we are pull light and will have to rely on tricks. Hitters (4) Rixa Becker Jerry Heckle Julie Grouse Knobs dont double up on hitters unless the person is too good to live without. hitters never live long and Dead, Dead, Dead is all too common. again, all of these are callable by the secret. Blockers (4) 2 Blush Quay 2 Lissy Omgek doubling here is not always the best, but i confess i have a weakness for these two ladies. again, everyone can make it in on a secret. blush has an effective defense of 6 and lissy is a glug. her being non-human may help with pharaohs... esp. kidnaping or squeezing them. Specials (4) Great White Portia Andreij Kawierna Reek Rend Great White is numbered her for he limited use; she is best in tandem with someone with surprise (Gayth Silver comes to mind) and we have no one here. Portia, Reek, and the indispensible Andreij are obvious. Too bad Portia is not criminal... Other (15) 2 Kidnap 2 The Squeeze 2 Hostage 2 Blackmail 2 Mole 1 Immunity 2 Pistol Grip Chainsaw 2 Duro-Trench We go a bit over here because there is just so much good stuff to play with. Hostage and Squeeze are both criminal cards; the secret can provide a boost of 4 pull to inflict these on the enemy. note that Hostage does not require an attack, so Mrs. Brinker can be bound and gagged (not that shes into it or anything). The real workhorse is Mole as any other human regardless of blockers, can be visited by another human who can put the Squeeze or Kidnap on... very effective way of denying the enemy pullers. But be sure you wait until they can buy off the kidnap; this jump of 3 can be all you need to make a break for it. lastly, the bonus pull from the resources can be used to outfit your people with some decent equipment. this deck doesnt max out the criminal potential, but it displays some basic elements of pursuing a straight criminal, competitive deck. any thoughts? eric [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:44:18 -0400 (EDT) From: David Freier Subject: Re: [The Edge] a portrait of crime Wow. I haven't played in quite awhile (going to meet my old playgroup this weekend YAY!!!), but that looks like an excellent deck. I remember a very similar deck way back when I first began to play, and it was a tough deck to beat. I'll have to try that out sometime. David "Throckmorton" Freier [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge ------------------------------ End of The Edge Digested V1 #63 ******************************* [O] You received this message because you are subscribed to the-edge-digest [0] To (un)subscribe, send a message to majordomo@robin.ml.org with body of [O] (un)subscribe the-edge-digest To get off digest, subscribe the-edge [O] To post a message, send it to the-edge@robin.ml.org